By Lysimachos Samasitis
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| Photo: Nick Thodos |
This post is about the characteristics of the frigate candidates for the Hellenic Navy's new frigate program and the interim solutions by country. The Navy’s frigate program amounts to €5 billion,
and includes the construction of four new frigates, the upgrade of the
existing four Hydra-class (MEKO-200HN) frigates and the
provision of interim solution ships (at least two major surface combatants: new light frigates or second-hand frigates). The following tables are the result of an exceptional and difficult effort to capture the basic characteristics of the candidate frigates, both for main program (Table 1) and interim solution (Table 2) for the Greek naval program by Lysimachos Samasitis! The tables will be updated regularly based on the latest developments and updates from the manufacturers in order to be a valuable source for those who wish to compare the different proposals. Εnjoy!
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| Table 1. The basic characteristics of the frigate candidates for the Hellenic Navy (main program) |
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| Table 2. The basic characteristics of the frigate candidates for the Hellenic Navy (interim solution) |
So from Thrust system point of view, Sigma-FREMM-G&C are the best,especially for ships worried for ASuW, remember that Quitter means better own sonar performance. Pity no-one touches the subject.
ReplyDeleteVery true! A quieter ship is essential for ASuW. The Arrowhead 140 and the Belharra both use CODAD (combined diesel and diesel) they are pretty much useless for an effectie ASuW. For todays extremely quiete submarine you need an electric drive system.
DeleteThe only ones offering this system are the Dutch (Sigma 11515 also for the light frigates ), the Spanish with the F110 and the Italians with the FREMM. All the others like the French, British, Germans and the Americans do not offer this. The Americans do not even offer a sonar. These frigates are pretty much useless when it comes to ASuW.
A lot has changed on this chart as far as what is offered. There is an assumption that the best will be on each ship and that is not so. While the F110 seems better offered to the Greeks than to the Spanish Navy, the British are holding back. It's how their price is low. And the French are the most expensive with a ship that has less and less with each offering. No STRALES, NO ECM, and no SCALP. Also they are offering only one missile per their 36 cells. The Mk41 on the F110 and Dutch chips can take 4 ESSM per cell that have longer range than Mica.
ReplyDeleteThe SPanish have the best deal so far. By Far
Sorry, a question! Which Missile system has better kill percentage, the ESSM
ReplyDeleteor the Aster 30? Asking cause i read somewhere that the Aster is shoot and forget so if it has better kill percentage then 32 missiles could be the same affective in result as the 64 sea sparrows. I don`t think we will have 128missiles in one ship and i`m intrigued with the possibility of Scalps on board that the Belh@arra could take. I think the Dutch offer though might be the more balanced one.
Aster 30 is a long range missile. The equivalent is the American SM-2 missile. The equivalent of the Aster 15 is the ESSM Block 2 missile. Both missiles have a longer range than their French equivalents. The ESSM Block 2 also has a fire and forget mode.
ReplyDeleteInstead of relying on semi-active radar guidance, where one of the ship's radar illuminators has to "paint" the target for the missile to guide toward and eventually detonate nearby, ESSM Block II features both active and semi-active radar seekers. This dual-mode seeker setup combined with a datalink allows the missile to be fired at targets without ever having the ship illuminate the target at all. The missile gets mid-course updates from the ship via a datalink for longer distance engagements, or it can be launched "fire and forget" for shorter engagements. Fire and forget mode can be used for longer-range shots too, with the missile flying out to its best guess of where the target will be on its own inertial guidance system before turning on its active radar seeker, but the chances of a successful intercept will decrease the farther the missile flies without the benefit of mid-course updates.
καλησπέρα, πιστεύω ότι επειδή η αγορά - εκσυχρονισμός είναι κυρίως θέμα συμφερόντων, θα πρέπει να δώσεις την δουλειά σε όλους τους ενδιαφερόμενους, που έχουν συμφέροντα στα κοιτάσματα του φυσικού αερίου, δηλαδή ΓΑΛΛΊΑ πήρες τα ΡΑΦΑΛ 2 δισ, ΙΣΡΑΗΛ συμφωνία με κέντρο Καλαμάτας 1,5 δισ, USA παραχώρηση βάσεων σε όλη την επικράτεια. ΆΡΑ μπορείς να πάρεις και από ΑΓΓΛΙΑ και από ΙΤΑΛΙΑ και από ΟΛΛΑΝΔΙΑ.
ReplyDeleteΑΓΓΛΙΑ και ΟΛΛΑΝΔΙΑ έχουν ίδια ηλεκτρονικά και οπλικά συστήματα και ίδιο τρόπο κατασκευής, κάτω από 600 εκ. κόστος το κάθε πλοίο πλέον βέβαια το φόρτο όπλων.
ΠΡΟΤΑΣΗ :1) 2 ARROWHEAD140 μέ 32 κελία για αεροπορική άμυνα περιοχής, έδρα Κρήτη + εκσυχρονισμός των 4 ΜΕΚΟΗΝ σύνολο 2 ΔΙΣ τα δίνεις στους ΑΓΓΛΟΥΣ .
2) 4 SIGMA 10115 με 16 κελία κυρίως για ανθυποβρυχιακή + 2 Μ για ενδιάμεση, σύνολο 3 ΔΙΣ τα δίνεις στους ΟΛΛΑΝΔΟΥΣ. Έτσι έχεις σε 8 χρόνια 12 πλοία με κοινά συστήματα
ειδικών και γενικών ρόλων, και έχεις μοιράσει την πίτα σε όλους.