Written by D-Mitch
HMS Blake as a helicopter cruiser |
HMS Swiftsure - outside Sydney Harbour 20 December 1945 |
The two new "state-of-the-art" gun mountings |
The two new "state-of-the-art" gun mountings |
Forecastle of HMS Blake during a visit of five Royal Navy warships to San Francisco in 1978. Photo: Skoshi8 |
25-round burst from the front 6in gun turret of HMS Tiger |
3in gun mount arrangement |
6in gun mount arrangement |
HMS Cumberland in 1955 with the 3in turret in X position |
HMS Cumberland in the '50s with the 6in turret in B position |
HMS Tiger in her original configuration |
HMS Tiger in her original configuration |
The differences among the sisters were few. Lion and Blake had a raised circular platform at the end of the highest deckhouse on the after superstructure for the magnetic compass; thy also had larger bridge wings to the admiral's (lower) bridge, extensions to the forecastle, and trunks on either side of the stacks leading from vent fans atop the boiler space casings.
HMS Lion in Malta |
Seacat launch from HMS Blake |
In 1965, work began on Blake to convert her to a helicopter cruiser while Tiger began her conversion in 1968. The conversions left Tiger and Blake some 380 tons heavier with a full displacement of 12,080 tons and their crew complements increased by 169 to 885.
HMS Blake in her final configuration |
HMS Blake in her final configuration |
The bridge of HMS Blake with two of the four Type 903 FCS atop |
HMS Tiger helicopter cruiser |
HMS Blake before and after her conversion |
The ships were fitted with five sets of stabilizers, similar to those of County class destroyers, in order to provide a stable platform for operating the helicopters in adverse weather conditions. A full new suite of sensors were added during this refit as well such as a new long range air search radar, new height finder, ESM etc. Blake retained her original funnel height, but on Tiger both funnels were raised. There were also numerous small differences in detail between the two especially with regard to communications antennas and ventilation duct arrangements.
Modified photo of Tiger class helicopter cruiser. For a high resolution image click here. |
The converted Tigers were a halfway step towards a fully air-capable cruiser. The Invisibles light aircraft carriers that followed later were direct descendants of the escort cruiser with an emphasis on command and control, their original heavy air defence armament and with the air wing consisting of ASW helicopters and Sea Harriers instead of guns. In 1969 a Royal Air Force (RAF) Harrier jet landed on Blake as part of trials. Watch here a short video of a Harrier taking off from the helicopter deck of the cruiser HMS Blake.
HMS Blake |
Harrier takes off from HMS Blake |
Harrier aboard HMS Blake |
Harrier taking off from HMS Blake |
Westland Wessex operates from HMS Blake |
HMS Blake with her helicopters |
Seacat quad SAM launcher of HMS Blake |
HMS Blake alongside to a a County class destroyer |
HMS Tiger |
HMS Blake with four Sea King |
HMS Blake with four Sea King |
Excellent post on a ship I didn't know anything about! I recently finished a larger book on the Falklands War. Wonder if it would have made any difference had the cruisers been reactivated in time to join that one ...
ReplyDeleteThank you for your comment! I doubt if their reactivation would have made any difference. With their unreliable armament, weak CIWS, absence of long-range SAM, large crew and size would have been easy target for the Argentinian subs (Type 209, if..) and aircrafts. The British would have to protect these ships with a large number of surface combatants at all cost complicating in that way the operations. The key to the operations was the air supremacy and in that role Tigers could not contribute by carrying just a pair of Harriers with reduced armament. In regard to the helicopters, the Royal Navy had about 23-25 surface combatants that could carry a helicopter in contrast with the Argentinians that had only 5-6. So, also there the Tigers' contribution would have been insignificant. Finally, for sure the Royal Navy could not afford a loss similar to Belgrano's.
DeleteI have eeen very few photos of the Tiger class under reconstruction. The Lion was shot in a famous photo moored in a Scottish Loch in the 1940s but little work was done on it after launching in mid 1944 and one would expect quite a lot of deterioration laid up in those waters for 8/10 years. You show one picture of HMS BLake apparently being laucnched in 1945 with little detail and there are also a few pictures published of the late stages of Blake fitting out in 1961. The only other relevant photo is the famous picture of the half sister Swiftsure largely reconstructed to Tiger rebuilt shape in Chatham dockyard in March 1960 with the Mk 23 triple 6 inch turrets apparently reinstalled significantly its show a Tiger not a Belfast bridge.
ReplyDeleteIt appears the Sandys 1957 Defense Review approved the continued reconstruction of the 3 Tigers and Suberb and Swiftsure as anti aircraft flak ships.
Much of the available evidence is that the Tiger class was effectively cancelled in mid 1944 to give priority to escort carriers and destroyers and the orders transferred to # 15,00o0 Neptunes for which construction of 12 triple Mk 24 turrets continued to the end of the war.
At every stage of their evolution the Tiger class seemed very close to cancellation and they seemed remarkably unsuited to any of their intended post WW2 roles of surface action, AA protection for carriers and amphibious landings or as AS ships. The large 6 inch gun marks considered and fitted to these cruisers Mk 23,24 and eventually Mk 26 all seem to occupy too much space and weight above and below the deck for postwar use- and the alternative generally favoured between 1944-1950 for N2 cruisers and Colony cruiser modernisation was limiting turrets to the 100 ton 5.25 (alternatively, I would favour a ligtweight twin Mk 22 or Mk 24 mod electric of the same weight).
ReplyDeleteIn the surface role postwar the RN faced heavily armed Chinese and Russian coastal Naval batteries with 6- 12 inch guns and RN heaviest gunned and armoured cruiser, HMS London was a write off after his last fight up River Yangtzee, due to hits from Chinese heavy artillery. The main potential adversary the Soviet Union cruisers had 6-7 inch guns but had far heavier armour and speed and power in Northern and Artic waters. The RN victory in the battle of the North Cape in late 1983 and was achieved due to communication intercepts and a lucky hit by the 8 inch cruiser Norfolk in the opening exchange with took out the Schnarnhorst surface radar gun fire directors. It was clear in the battle than the large German battlecruiser had superior speed in the Northern waters and only the larger hulled Belfast and Norfolk could hold her and that the lightly armoured Brtish cruisers were often slowed with by hits to their increased amounts of electronic and electrical equipment and such compontents neeed much heavier armouring and protection in future. The Fiji class ( the basis of the Tiger) were a war emergency design too small to sustain the chase in the Bismark and Schnarhorst operations despite the magnificent fight of HMS Jamaica. If you look of the video of HMS Tiger on trials in 1959 one is staggered how little modernised it is beyond the late 1930s Fiji model. The real operating speed of a Tiger was probably about 29 knots max and only medium range at carrier task force speed.
The anti aircraft role of the tigers could more effectively be carried out by smaller targets such as the T41 frigate which offered 992/965 radar and the ability to engage 3 simultaneous targets. By 1960 the Brtish Daring destroyer with MRS3 fire control fitted was a possible alternative and Winston Churchill saw that type of cruiser destroyer as the RNs future and both the Venezuela 3 turret Battle class and particularly the Chilean destroyers built by Vickers with 4 single automatic 4 inch 45rpm fire and 6 40mm L70 singles seemed ideal in slightly stretched form with an improved stabalised 4 inch still probably being lighter than the Tigers win 3/70 AA guns. Some RNZN and RCN officers did see the twin 3 inch as an outstanding weapon, a view forcefully emphasised by Ian Bradley. a brilliant RNZN/RN AS officer of the Admiral, John Coward generation. The view of Ian Bradely was the twin 3/70 should have armed the Leanders. My own view is a single 3/70 was the better option.
Most of all the Tiger seemed to replicate the ideas that were known to have failed in USS Worchester in 1950, USS Northhampton in 1954 and USS Norfolk in 1955. Which indicated a comprehensive failure for fully automatic 5 and 6 inch guns to achieve reliable fire at more 10-17rpm. The USS Juneau (2) CLAA 119 a USN equivalent of the Didos was modernised in 1950-1 with the latest DC/AW 14 3/50 and 12 5 inch and massively outpreformed the new Worchester class with its 6 inch automatic guns. The money spent on the Tigers could certainly have been better spent of the alternative of 1954 off 2/35,000 ton carriers and modest furthur modernisation of the later Colony and Minotaur class with 992/965 and replacement of usless old twin 4 inch mounts with US 3/50s, which would have fitted easily into the space for the existing turrrets.
So many details, so much information! Thank you for your comments Frederick, you really enriched my article about the Tigers. A nice book which I used for the above article, is the British Cruisers: Two World Wars and After (you can read parts of it at https://books.google.gr/books?id=kzs5CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA319&lpg=PA319&dq=ua-8/9+esm&source=bl&ots=twsSq2ikLD&sig=qh94VPZULHNj3Ui2NOh7RjWBv9k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjiq4uew93NAhVJOxoKHVW-CLcQ6AEIMDAF#v=onepage&q=ua-8%2F9%20esm&f=false).
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I served on HMS Lion 64/65 when she was Flagship on the Home Fleet. Although Lion was cramped and noisy and the food inedible, she was air conditioned on the mess decks and we had bunks. Lion looked the part sleek, fast with real cruiser lines. The photo of Lion shown here was when we attended the Independance of Malta in 1964. Can I ask a question is D Mutch - David Mutch ex Com Mutch RN, also my boss in DML Devonport if so greeting fm Charles Davis 62-90 RN.
ReplyDeleteThank you sir for your comment. No, there is no relation between me and Mr. Mutch, I am not British. If you have personal photos of HMS Lion, I would be glad to post them here with your signature ( I can add it for you). You can contact me in the form at the right side-bar.
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Mitch